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The Connection to\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall<\/h4>\n
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Peter is asked to explain the connection to Haddon Hall\u00a0 \u00a0Have a seat. This is complicated and my tree is a mess of contradictions here which I need to clear up. However, here is how I think it goes\u2026.<\/div>\n
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You and I share great grandparents \u2014 William Hayward and Elizabeth (nee) Alexander. Elizabeth\u2019s father was Samuel Alexander (1818-1907). Samuel married Isabella Fisher (1821-1901). The Fishers and the Alexanders seemed to hit it off for Samuel Alexander\u2019s father also married a Fisher. But that\u2019s another story.<\/div>\n
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We\u2019re interested in the Fisher line here because they lead us to\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall. Isabella Fisher\u2019s father was Benjamin Fisher (1781-1863). He married Mary Unthank (1783-1855). Now here is an interesting kink: Mary Unthank\u2019s mother was Deborah Richardson (1756-1848). Deborah is our fourth great grandmother and is no doubt related to your father\u2019s Richardsons.<\/div>\n
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Anyway, we back up to Benjamin Fisher (Deborah\u2019s son), then follow the Fishers back to 1500 when William Fisher (1479-1519) married Mary Vernon (1488-1536). And that\u2019s the connection to\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall\u00a0which was owned by the Vernons. William and Mary were our 13th great grand-parents.<\/p>\n

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As an aside, their son Thomas Fisher (1510-1556) married Elizabeth Brocket (1522-?). The Brockets were a wealthy and influential family in the day and entertained blue bloods including the Queen routinely and the\u00a0hall\u00a0was infamous for its racy affairs (Google \u2018Brocket\u00a0Hall. It\u2019s a bed and breakfast for the rich. You\u2019re welcome to spend the night if you don\u2019t mind dropping a grand).<\/div>\n
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Well, there you have it. A snippet anyway. There are stories galore tucked away in this tree (in every tree!).<\/div>\n
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Love, Peter<\/div>\n
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Link to\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall\u00a0images:\u00a0http:\/\/www.newearthvillage.com\/islice\/2-haddon\u2013hall-gallery\/<\/a><\/div>\n
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Hi again Peter,<\/p>\n

Thanks for the note.<\/div>\n
Regarding the Richardson connection. \u00a0It is reasonably common name and they could well be connected. \u00a0My problem is how does one get from Deborah\u2019s Grandfather, William Richardson, who married Sarah Weston in Limerick in 1719 to the large clan of Richardson\u2019s in the Newcastle area?<\/div>\n
Regarding Benjamin Clarke Fisher, I have traced him back to Reuben Fisher, \u00a0of Southwark and his wife Joan Howe in the mid 1600s and no further. \u00a0The Kinsalebeg history(Google) mentions that the London area Fisher\u2019s extended family included Sir Edward Of Mickleton & London, Sir Thomas of Islington and Sir Clement MP(1661-1669) and a 2nd Baronet. \u00a0Clement married (1662) royalist heroine Jane Lane who helped Charles II escape to France.<\/div>\n
\u00a0Now the connection to\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall?<\/div>\n
All grist for the Ancestry mill.<\/div>\n
Regards to all and especially Lucy and James. \u00a0Hope you are all well<\/div>\n
John<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Hey John,<\/p>\n

Re. \u201chow does one get from Deborah\u2019s Grandfather, William Richardson, who married Sarah Weston in Limerick in 1719 to the large clan of Richardson\u2019s in the Newcastle area?\u201d Well I expect they took a boat. Horse-drawn coach across the breadth of England would not be for the faint of heart. Just kidding. I have no idea, I just put it out there as a possibility. As for the Fishers, I go as follows:<\/div>\n
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Reuben F \u2014 Joan Howe<\/div>\n
Thomas F (1617) \u2014 Mary Price (1621)<\/div>\n
Sir Edward Fisher (1587-1654) \u2014 Lady Mary Maria Challoner (1590-1642)<\/div>\n
Edward Fisher (1562-1628) \u2014 Avice Thornhill (1560-1604)<\/div>\n
Thomas Richard Fisher (1533-1584) \u2014 Anne Brand 1537-)<\/div>\n
Thomas Fisher (1510-1556) \u2014 Elizabeth Brocket (1522-)<\/div>\n
William Fisher (1479-1519) \u2014 Mary Vernon (1488-1536) Married 1500<\/div>\n
Randall Fisher (1455-) \u2014 Elizabeth (here the Fisher trail stops)<\/div>\n
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Mary Vernon was a co-heiress of\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall\u00a0along with her sisters Anne and Dorothy. Dorothy Vernon was the subject of romantic legend (google Dorothy Vernon\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall). She eloped with a handsome John Manners after her father refused to allow the marriage. Why is unclear. John\u2019s prospects were reasonable. His family had their own castle up the road. His descendent, the current Earl of Rutland, still owns\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall\u00a0and his brother lives there. While at\u00a0Haddon, my concerted attempts to \u201cknock him up\u201d came to naught. Thought we might have a little cousin to cousin chit-chat, but no. Probably busy in the village collecting rents from destitute widows. Or perhaps he was down at the Purple Pear quaffing a pint while the Ferrari got an oil change. In any case, the poor chap missed the chance to make the Canadian Connection. He\u2019ll never know how close he came. Probably best.<\/div>\n
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Sir Edward Fisher of Mickleton is our man (9th great grandfather). Can\u2019t find the others. Sir Edward and Avice Thornhill had a daughter Francesse. Francesse married Rev Thomas Rose (1619-1692). The Roses, Fishers and Thornhills all lived in Mickleton, a tiny village on the north edge of the Cotswolds and importantly, within striking distance of London. Thomas and Francesse had 11 children, nine of them boys. Oh my. Four of the boys as adults went into business together, capitalizing on their respective skills. Fulke Rose was a medical doctor, John was a merchant sea captain, William was an apothecary and astute money manager, and one or two of the other brothers pitched in where needed.\u00a0 What played out was a lucrative arrangement. In the 1670s Fulke ran a very profitable medical practice in Jamaica catering to wealthy plantation owners. He also bought a plantation and called on two of his brothers to help manage it. Captain John Rose transported criminals and political prisoners to Jamaica to work off their ten year sentences on the plantations, notably his brother\u2019s. And of course, John got paid for his efforts by the British government. Fulke and Co. got free labour and on the return trip to England, John filled the holds of his two ships with Rose sugar. William managed the proceeds. All in all, it was a shrewd variation of the triangular slave trade.<\/div>\n
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William has his own claim to fame. Apothecaries in those days routinely treated the ill and injured who lacked the funds to visit a surgeon. He was unable, however, to cure one of his patients of what was likely a sexually transmitted disease. He billed the man steeply for his efforts and the man complained to the College of Surgeons. They took William to court on the grounds that apothecaries were not licensed to practice as medical doctors. He lost but won on appeal, arguing that the poor had no option but to seek the help of apothecaries, as they could not afford a doctor\u2019s fee. Apothecaries, therefore, were carrying out a service essential to the well-being of the community. Apothecaries, as a result of that court case, became the general practitioners of today. The William Rose Prize is given annually to a student who contributes significantly to the history of medicine. William is our 1st cousin 9x removed.<\/div>\n
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Very interesting to hear about Sir Clement, Jane Lane and the connection to Charles II. I\u2019ll explore that. Thanks for the info John. What fun this is. Hope I didn\u2019t beat you to death with all this. Big hugs, Peter<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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The Connection to\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall<\/h4>
Peter is asked to explain the connection to Haddon Hall\u00a0 \u00a0Have a seat. This is complicated and my tree is a mess of contradictions here which I need to clear up. However, here is how I think it goes\u2026.<\/div>
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You and I share great grandparents \u2014 William Hayward and Elizabeth (nee) Alexander. Elizabeth\u2019s father was Samuel Alexander (1818-1907). Samuel married Isabella Fisher (1821-1901). The Fishers and the Alexanders seemed to hit it off for Samuel Alexander\u2019s father also married a Fisher. But that\u2019s another story.<\/div>
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We\u2019re interested in the Fisher line here because they lead us to\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall. Isabella Fisher\u2019s father was Benjamin Fisher (1781-1863). He married Mary Unthank (1783-1855). Now here is an interesting kink: Mary Unthank\u2019s mother was Deborah Richardson (1756-1848). Deborah is our fourth great grandmother and is no doubt related to your father\u2019s Richardsons.<\/div>
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Anyway, we back up to Benjamin Fisher (Deborah\u2019s son), then follow the Fishers back to 1500 when William Fisher (1479-1519) married Mary Vernon (1488-1536). And that\u2019s the connection to\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall\u00a0which was owned by the Vernons. William and Mary were our 13th great grand-parents.<\/p>

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As an aside, their son Thomas Fisher (1510-1556) married Elizabeth Brocket (1522-?). The Brockets were a wealthy and influential family in the day and entertained blue bloods including the Queen routinely and the\u00a0hall\u00a0was infamous for its racy affairs (Google \u2018Brocket\u00a0Hall. It\u2019s a bed and breakfast for the rich. You\u2019re welcome to spend the night if you don\u2019t mind dropping a grand).<\/div>
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Well, there you have it. A snippet anyway. There are stories galore tucked away in this tree (in every tree!).<\/div>
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Love, Peter<\/div>
May 14, 2019<\/div><\/div><\/div>
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Link to\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall\u00a0images:\u00a0http:\/\/www.newearthvillage.com\/islice\/2-haddon\u2013hall-gallery\/<\/a><\/div>
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Hi again Peter,<\/p>

Thanks for the note.<\/div>
Regarding the Richardson connection. \u00a0It is reasonably common name and they could well be connected. \u00a0My problem is how does one get from Deborah\u2019s Grandfather, William Richardson, who married Sarah Weston in Limerick in 1719 to the large clan of Richardson\u2019s in the Newcastle area?<\/div>
Regarding Benjamin Clarke Fisher, I have traced him back to Reuben Fisher, \u00a0of Southwark and his wife Joan Howe in the mid 1600s and no further. \u00a0The Kinsalebeg history(Google) mentions that the London area Fisher\u2019s extended family included Sir Edward Of Mickleton & London, Sir Thomas of Islington and Sir Clement MP(1661-1669) and a 2nd Baronet. \u00a0Clement married (1662) royalist heroine Jane Lane who helped Charles II escape to France.<\/div>
\u00a0Now the connection to\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall?<\/div>
All grist for the Ancestry mill.<\/div>
Regards to all and especially Lucy and James. \u00a0Hope you are all well<\/div>
John<\/div><\/div>
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Hey John,<\/p>

Re. \u201chow does one get from Deborah\u2019s Grandfather, William Richardson, who married Sarah Weston in Limerick in 1719 to the large clan of Richardson\u2019s in the Newcastle area?\u201d Well I expect they took a boat. Horse-drawn coach across the breadth of England would not be for the faint of heart. Just kidding. I have no idea, I just put it out there as a possibility. As for the Fishers, I go as follows:<\/div>
\u00a0<\/div>
Reuben F \u2014 Joan Howe<\/div>
Thomas F (1617) \u2014 Mary Price (1621)<\/div>
Sir Edward Fisher (1587-1654) \u2014 Lady Mary Maria Challoner (1590-1642)<\/div>
Edward Fisher (1562-1628) \u2014 Avice Thornhill (1560-1604)<\/div>
Thomas Richard Fisher (1533-1584) \u2014 Anne Brand 1537-)<\/div>
Thomas Fisher (1510-1556) \u2014 Elizabeth Brocket (1522-)<\/div>
William Fisher (1479-1519) \u2014 Mary Vernon (1488-1536) Married 1500<\/div>
Randall Fisher (1455-) \u2014 Elizabeth (here the Fisher trail stops)<\/div>
\u00a0<\/div>
Mary Vernon was a co-heiress of\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall\u00a0along with her sisters Anne and Dorothy. Dorothy Vernon was the subject of romantic legend (google Dorothy Vernon\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall). She eloped with a handsome John Manners after her father refused to allow the marriage. Why is unclear. John\u2019s prospects were reasonable. His family had their own castle up the road. His descendent, the current Earl of Rutland, still owns\u00a0Haddon\u00a0Hall\u00a0and his brother lives there. While at\u00a0Haddon, my concerted attempts to \u201cknock him up\u201d came to naught. Thought we might have a little cousin to cousin chit-chat, but no. Probably busy in the village collecting rents from destitute widows. Or perhaps he was down at the Purple Pear quaffing a pint while the Ferrari got an oil change. In any case, the poor chap missed the chance to make the Canadian Connection. He\u2019ll never know how close he came. Probably best.<\/div>
\u00a0<\/div>
Sir Edward Fisher of Mickleton is our man (9th great grandfather). Can\u2019t find the others. Sir Edward and Avice Thornhill had a daughter Francesse. Francesse married Rev Thomas Rose (1619-1692). The Roses, Fishers and Thornhills all lived in Mickleton, a tiny village on the north edge of the Cotswolds and importantly, within striking distance of London. Thomas and Francesse had 11 children, nine of them boys. Oh my. Four of the boys as adults went into business together, capitalizing on their respective skills. Fulke Rose was a medical doctor, John was a merchant sea captain, William was an apothecary and astute money manager, and one or two of the other brothers pitched in where needed.\u00a0 What played out was a lucrative arrangement. In the 1670s Fulke ran a very profitable medical practice in Jamaica catering to wealthy plantation owners. He also bought a plantation and called on two of his brothers to help manage it. Captain John Rose transported criminals and political prisoners to Jamaica to work off their ten year sentences on the plantations, notably his brother\u2019s. And of course, John got paid for his efforts by the British government. Fulke and Co. got free labour and on the return trip to England, John filled the holds of his two ships with Rose sugar. William managed the proceeds. All in all, it was a shrewd variation of the triangular slave trade.<\/div>
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William has his own claim to fame. Apothecaries in those days routinely treated the ill and injured who lacked the funds to visit a surgeon. He was unable, however, to cure one of his patients of what was likely a sexually transmitted disease. He billed the man steeply for his efforts and the man complained to the College of Surgeons. They took William to court on the grounds that apothecaries were not licensed to practice as medical doctors. He lost but won on appeal, arguing that the poor had no option but to seek the help of apothecaries, as they could not afford a doctor\u2019s fee. Apothecaries, therefore, were carrying out a service essential to the well-being of the community. Apothecaries, as a result of that court case, became the general practitioners of today. The William Rose Prize is given annually to a student who contributes significantly to the history of medicine. William is our 1st cousin 9x removed.<\/div>
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Very interesting to hear about Sir Clement, Jane Lane and the connection to Charles II. I\u2019ll explore that. Thanks for the info John. What fun this is. Hope I didn\u2019t beat you to death with all this. Big hugs, Peter<\/div><\/div>
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